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T N Player · Jul 02, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

i normally do pvp with a crippling slash build. in ab wen i do not need a rez, i use deadly riposte to couter heal sig's lower armor and to use gash for a qucik deep wound. most ppl just say nice use of the skill, but most of the time, the whammo using mending and Live Vicariously, and Vigorous Spirit r the only ones are r mad that i messed up there healing. i just tell them dont attack and they reply that there only way of healing.

why is it that the builds that r cool to use in pve, not cool to use in pvp?

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 02, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by T N Player

why is it that the builds that r cool to use in pve, not cool to use in pvp?

Because there is a titanic difference between fighting the AI and fighting a human player.

Most scrubs don't seem to get this..............AT ALL.

noblepaladin · Jul 02, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Because touch ranger is the most nooby build in the game. You just mindlessly spam those 2 skills, with the odd running/evasion stance if need be.

Well, nearly all the builds in the game consists of spamming two or three key skills (it tends to be especially true for melee characters, you just chase people and do your skill combo when the opportunity arises). Also, it is especially true in RA, where there is usually no team coordination. You just execute your skill combo and see if it works better than your opponents, the touch ranger is actually a pretty good build because it is very independent of teammates. At higher levels of play, team coordination factors in.

assassin_of_ni · Jul 02, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

granted it basically utilizes all the key necessities to a self reliant builds. decent damage/self heal/defense/etc its nubby for the sake that it takes no brains to run properly. c+1+2+1+2+1+2 the occasional OoB or whatever and thats it. at least the typical whammo builds takes a lil moderation in spamming their skills and healing due to their limited energy pool and regen. assassins are fairly no-brainer unless your using a non-cookie cutter build. rangers (in the sense of using a bow) take a lil bit of thinking since the only thing they can really stand up agaisnt for long enough to finish an attack and run is ele aoe. vs wars or sins or what have you theyre still pretty much squishee. monks....take patience...between following the over extending suicide sins and the wars who use frenzy+heal sig and being blamed for god knows what reason if someone on the team dies, and not least of which the second you enter a battle you know your name has just been pinged 500 times. monks are fun though =D. rits are semi no brained with the typical spirit spam...you just hafta remember to space everything out or 1 ele just wrecks you.

so essentially touchies are really the only class that you can be completely stoned till your stupid and still play the build effectively.

Mortis · Jul 02, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

The people who call others "noob runner" or similar just show that they have no idea what the concept of kiting is, or pvp in general for that matter.

Warrior putting on Dolyak signet, then calling the other team noob runners for ignoring him and going for a shrine instead (in ab) does give me a good laugh though.

As for touchers, personally I hate the build, and think it's silly to play it when you have so many other skills to choose from. However, it doesn't seem like it's going to stop being used. I'll just deny its existance even if it comes up and bites me in the rear.

Roshi_ikkyu · Jul 02, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

This thread would be soo much cooler if it didn't sound like a rant thread, u got called a runner by some fool in AB, I often type in local "stop running face your death like a man!", its just really smack talking.

But did you really need to go posting on a forum sounding like a cry baby? You not only complain about fools (noobs) calling you a runner, while insisting to teach the entire forum about GvG tatics, but then you go and generally bash PvE.

Are you that fragile that you can't laugh off a "Running N00b" whisper?
I'll spare my comments about your mentioning playing and Assassin for AB and stuff... it compairs them to touch rangers :d

Your right, they should get over someone running to save their life; But you should also get over the fact that in game your gonna experience some immature people. The good news is when you click that x they go away.

MSecorsky · Jul 02, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

I think even funnier was when I got serenaded by a warrior with a lovely chorus of "noooooooob mesmer! noooooooob mesmer!".

Hey, it's not my fault he was using Frenzy while swinging through Ineptitude and Clumsiness.

onerabbit · Jul 02, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

i always run lol!

Arguments for kicks ftw.

just act really serious, and spell proper, u win every time lol.

HawkofStorms · Jul 02, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Because there is a titanic difference between fighting the AI and fighting a human player.

Most scrubs don't seem to get this..............AT ALL.

Debateable. You see, my build for AB/RA is designed with the scrubs in mind (who may or may not have more intellegence then an AI foe/. I would never expect backfire to kill somebody in HA or a GvG. But I'm quick to find those eles spamming flare or stone daggers who usually kill themselves in AB.

Also, their is a difference between good touch rangers and bad touch rangers. Good touch rangers STOP spamming vamp touch/bite when hexed with diversion.

Patrick Smit · Jul 02, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I like to both run and kite in AB, the space is humongous, and there are quite some safe havens. Quite often u get people to act like AI and run into an enemy shrine, most of them are aware of the base defender unfortunately. I like to lure players preferably to the ele shrines as they give good damage, when i'm around a shrine or bigger group i tend to kite, or fall back a bit.

Why do I do it, simply because I don't like t o give away points for free.

Series · Jul 02, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I've been called a runner before. I just taunt him for not bringing snares. Then again, how can they bring a snare when they need the extra space for mending? :-\

ShadowsRequiem · Jul 02, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

...cause we all know RA and AB are the pinnacles of pvp

Phantom Gun · Jul 02, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by DFrost

Trash-talking and common sense are rarely seen together in one sentence.

Lol! Now that is worthy of a Sig.

Anyway to the OP, I wouldn't worry about it. It's obvious that you are playing in a tactical way, and not just running around the arena for the duration of the match just to annoy the other team. It's the other persons fault for not bringing something for this kind of thing. I mean I know we only have 8 skill slots, but I imagine that if you find yourself in battle with the same people over and over again one might adjust their skills. I guess some people just won't do that.

I only FA, and rarely AB, or RA, so i'm deffinetly no expert on pvp. But I think the main reason I avoid the more hardcore scene is because of people like that.

Series · Jul 02, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

...cause we all know RA and AB are the pinnacles of pvp

Casual PvP (AB, FA, JQ) attracts a LOT of people. Probably the reason why it is becoming such a HUGE feature in GW2.

Kool Pajamas · Jul 02, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

...cause we all know RA and AB are the pinnacles of pvp

I agree they are.

I think people that complain about touchers need to grow up. A build is a build. Its simple but effective in certain areas against people who aren't prepared for it, and most people in AB and other casual pvp areas aren't prepared for it. You make a build for the area you are playing. If you get beat by someone any build don't scream noob build, just shut up and move on.

DarkGanni · Jul 02, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

AB requires alot of moving aka running to cap shrines however there's one of those players that keeps following when you're running at low health and start calling you noob and runner, I think they are the noobs for following instead of helping their teammates cap shrines, all I can say in the end is don't mind those kids, play how it suits YOU best.

- Ganni.

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 02, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

...cause we all know RA and AB are the pinnacles of pvp

Best you can get without running into elitist jerks.

Nemo the Capitalist · Jul 02, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

............sighs/ what man has become

Twinsoul · Jul 02, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Hehe, the high point of my kiting ability had to be this one time in RA.. It was on The Crag, 2 members of my team and one member of the other team left, my teammate died almost instantly and left, and I still came back to win. (Using a deadly arts spiker) It's always fun when there are just 2 people left, and instead of charging right up to an enemy with higher health and adrenaline charged, you kite until you're on equal ground, then finish it.

Her Goofy Laugh · Jul 02, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Theres a difference between kiting strategically and running just for the sake of running. Of course GVG running is different, you have a goal, which is to get the flag.

1. you run back to lure the opponent; maybe to an aoe spell, like meteorshower or ward.
2. you run back to get you closer to the monk; maybe he can directly mend touch you instead of using draw, especially if the battle is breakneck and energy management is getting challenging.
3. you have too many hexes(i.e. pof,reapers, sof, reckless, SS) which you know will wear off b4 you die(and you monk has too much on his hands), so you run back to a relatively safe distance and watch and wait.

* Ive fought a LOT of runners; some run when its like 4vs1 and some run and 'kite' in the middle of the battle and let their teammates die. Sometimes i 'kite' back especially in RA when say, i have troll ungent. i use it, then go back asap.